A possible new way to take MMS, the importance of an empty stomach.

That's assuming you can determine in advance how much Hcl you have in your stomach. As we age, it has been shown, Hcl levels go down.

This process may work for you, Lopez, but it is not going to work for everyone.

You brought up a good point of the chlorus acid, I also been thinking about its effects in the process.

I will consider this and try to return a educated reply.

I am not knocking what exists, it does work, and I am sure Jim tried alot of tinkering to get the current reciepe.
I am just taking the tinkering and procedures to another level.

I base my foundation in the best chemical reaction for humans 5 NaClO2 + 4 HCl → 5 NaCl + 4 ClO2 + 2 H2O

Chlorus Acid aside, it is a hard for many people to carry MMS and Citric Acid all day in the car, here in Florida with the temperatures here makes it impossible to leave it in the car.
Then the hassle of mixing the drops while you are at work or if you live a active life style.

Just looking to make MMS more USER FRIENDLY.

Has to the question on aging and production of HCL reducing, that is a easy fix just take some HCL supplements before downing the MMS GEL CAP.

I am going to be controversial here and say that for the 18 months I have been taking MMS for various reasons as well as distributing it to rural folk here in South Africa that have serious pathogenic toxification due to poor nutrition - personally I also believe in activated version of MMS. But - I have always suffered some form of herx with activated MMS.

Then CDS came about - and I resisted due to the complicated process, until 'srb' posted his suggested Hypodermic method and 'ClO2' offered her "shot glass" upgrade. I tied this with my faithful preserve jar and hey presto! No more herx!

So I am a very happy camper along with my family and pets who all now make use of CDS and I will swear by it as it is quick and simple (I even produced a small ebook for my process for distribution) and so far (3 months now) my family and I will never look back.

Your logic and presentation is interesting Lopez - but I don't see the reason to go against a well measured dose of CDS which can be proven in the glass to its strength in ppm and does the job really well.

Maybe others can also comment on their personal preferences here, as it can actually produce a good foundation for future experience.

Also the Chemists who read here may be able to add their opinion and experience to make the pure MMS directly to the stomach option more clear?

Good thread!

Steve, I know you use Hcl for making CDS - what do you think about using it for making MMS? As the activator?

This is from Dr Ron written last year on the forum titled MMS Balanced Chemical Reaction with Citric Acid

This explains the exact chemical reaction of MMS with Citric and MMS with HCI

We get 2 reactions, one of which is more stable than the other.

The most stable balanced reactions is

15 NaClO2 + 4 C6H8O7 = 12 ClO2 + 4 C6H5Na3O7 + 3 NaCl + 6 H2O

sodium chlorite plus citric acid produce chlorine dioxide plus sodium citrate plus salt plus water

Another balanced reaction but more unstable is

3 NaClO2 + C6H8O7 = 3 HClO2 + C6H5Na3O7

mms plus citric equals chlorous acid plus sodium citrate

Chlorous Acid is chlorine dioxide with a Hydrogen atom attached.

Another balanced reaction to activate mms is with HCl

5 NaClO2 + 4 HCl = 4 ClO2 + 5 NaCl + 2 H2O

mms plus HCl equals chlorine dioxide plus salt plus water

Now because the predominate reaction of MMS with Citric will produce CLO2 and sodium citrate

Lets see if there is any Oxidation value of sodium citrate after all plenty is produced in the reaction.
sodium citrate is to general what is produced will be its salts. Aside of there primary use as food stabilzers
let see if there is any other human healing benefit.

Monosodium citrate It is used to prevent platelet clumping in blood samples. No benefit
Disodium citrate Disodium citrate may be used in patients to alleviate discomfort from urinary tract infections. Does have benefit
Trisodium citrate The compound is the product of antacids, such as Alka-Seltzer, when they are dissolved in water. Does have benefit

The last salt is main one produced in the reaction and does buffer the PH in stomach.

So there is secondary benefits from the main reaction. enhance oxidation and buffering.

Has for the unstable reaction how much is produced depends on if you are using less citric acid than MMS, which is not the case.
But even it where to produce Chlorous Acid, it is not the main healer.

I will like to say the only product that can be coined the Miracle is CLO2 chlorine dioxide, this the main product we all need.

I feel there is some romance here with the Citric Acid, still trying to figure out why the friction to progress.

No how safe and cheap is to make reagent grade HCI it is absurdly easy and safe. For those who want to use HCI to make
pure CLO2 with not a chance of making any other byproduct, chlorine free.
Please look at this video for a head start. How to Make HCL home


Now hey you can forget about the lab stuff and simply put MMS in a gel cap and drink it with HCL supplement instant LAB work done in your stomach.

I currently working on the exact mathematics, but for those older and not producing enough HCL which you can have a test to see if that is really your case, whether you take MMS or not you need HCL supplements period.

We must stay true to the faith, no matter how you look at,, no matter what chemical reaction you do, at the end the only real true
miracle is CLO2, any thing else is extra, even the vegetables you eat, all is extra, what we need is CLO2.

So lets start thinking in a USER FRIENDLY FORMULA instead of lugging around two bottle all over the place, you ever try to lug these two bottle in the car with the FLorida sun beating down on you. Not good, I mean I take my MMS and Citric Acid with me in a small cooler to work.

The is nothing wrong of doing the HCL reaction actually is the purest form to get the Miracle. The issue is the romance I see with the whole process of activation and seeing the pretty amber color we just can't get pass that.

In reality if we really wanted to take it to perfection, the oral intake is not the best way, injecting your self with CDS is, straight into the blood stream and instant gratification.

But for those we can't stand needles, I will work on the math for the gel cap MMS version.

I was going to post the video on the home method to purify HCl but you beat me to it. I've been using HCl for some time now as an activator with MMS and I don't think I'm going to go back based on how it tastes and feels in contrast to CA. For example; less nausea and less of the sour taste when drank with water. On another note, I wasn't aware that there was a Food Grade and Technical Grade HCl and so I'm glad I found this video. The only issue I have with this method is were there is no easy way to know measure the strength of the final solution(reagent).

Ummm, Lopez, Dr. Ron is not exactly considered in good light.

Sorry did not know that PAM, you can be wrong but you must be a always a good light.
But the Chemical Reaction he posted does have some merit.

The HCl can be used to make CDS ONLY outside the body process, it is not intended to be drunk at any time.
HCL is not intended to be a substitute for Citric Acid, in the Drink Oral Method.

If you going to drink MMS for now you need to use Citric Acid. To make CDS on the other hand you will get purer faster reaction with HCL.

Again I purpose that you can just drink MMS in a Gel Cap, and allow the gastric juices, with a little HCI booster supplement , it will do a better job.
We are still debating and working on the math.

I will post new math soon, again you stomach has 10,000 to a 1 millions cells that Produce Pure HCI 3 to 4 times a day, you can boost this natural
chemical factory, by eating black pepper, or drink a HCL booster.

There is no need for activator, in this proposal, just a few drops of MMS and your gastric juices.

I repeat if your stomach can take care of 8 ounce Steak, 12 oz glass of coke, One mash potatoes with sour cream, and a bowl of clam chowder in 2 hours.

Imagine what it does to one gel cap of MMS on a empty stomach.

There is no need for any activator other than you stomach and a little HCL booster. I will work out the scientific math, but common sense dictates that 3 to 15 drops of MMS is nothing to what is happening when you eat food at meal time.

You know that MMS is converting because has any one notice that when you do MMS during eating you chances of diarrhea increases. You ever asked yourself why ?
The reason is food needs all the good bacteria in you stomach to digest food properly, because MMS does not discriminate between good or bad, you get a little of the run.

The best oral user friendly way to take MMS is Gel Cap, with HCL booster supplement and allow the natural process to happen 100% internal reaction and Purer Efficacy .

The math needs to be worked out and the physiological romance with citric acid needs to be broken, but hopefully science will win over emotion.

Tell you what. You go talk with Jim Humble about it, and get back with us . Jim has been working with this for a long time - and I trust him and his findings very much. You're basically saying JH is wrong - but you came in here with your theories even before you had tried MMS. You're basically recreating what Jim did in the jungle 15 years ago, and Jim moved to other things that he found more efficacious at healing.