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I am reposting because when I looked at post it did not seem to go to JB13.

JB13 Thank you for the chart, I will follow that. But I am still a little confused about the dosing equivalents.
I am looking at the one bottle method in a 300ml bottle, then it describes making with two bottles. then is says:

How to use CDH - 1 or 2 Bottle Methods
A. The 840 ml of diluted CDH contains about 3000mg (3g) of ClO2 (Chlorine Dioxide).
B. Dosing is a personally determined amount, but a starting dose can be recommended.
C. If a person is very sick and/or very toxic, starting with low amounts and increasing
slowly is desirable. You could start with 1ml and increase until a Herxheimer occurs.
D. One milliliter (1ml) of the stock CDH solution (840ml in the example above) contains
about 3.6mg of ClO2. Take 1ml or more of CDH in a glass of water for each hourly dose.
E. If that amount of ClO2 causes a Herxheimer reaction, then use less than 1ml of the
CDH diluted solution for hourly doses. Increase the dose slowly from a non- Herxheimer
reaction dose until the person Herxs ...

I don't see where the single bottle method turned into the 840ml bottle for dosing.

I am wanting to start out at 1/4 drop per hour 1st day for 10 hours if they tolerate. Please explain how to achieve that using the single bottle method and I will get a schwepps bottle if I can find one.

I do not have the test strips, should I wait for this method until I get them?

I then read farther down and saw things converted to mg, I will have to study to understand how that relates to drops.

then on the last page:

Activating CDH in open & closed topped containers
Three tests were preformed to determine if there is a difference in CLO2 concentration
when activating CDH Two Bottle Method in open topped and closed containers. Activation
time 15 minutes at 72F room temperature with 3x 5 second agitations @ 0,5,10 minutes. All
bottles were capped at the end of the 15 minute activation period and put in a fridge to cool
down before measurements were taken.
22ml DW + 5ml SC + 5ml 4HCL
1. 1 fl oz capped small mouth bottle = 13,300 ppm
2. 1 fl oz uncapped small mouth bottle = 13,700 ppm
3. 1 fl oz open topped shot glass = 12,100 ppm
#1 & 2 were essentially the same, which was a surprise. #3 was only 12% less ppm with a
mouth area of 16x over the bottles.

way more than 3000ppm. Am I confusing the two methods? CDS/CDH? This is way way confusing. I want to get 1/4 drop per hour per dog day one then up by 1/4 drop per day using the first single bottle method. Please help with how many ml of solution to use to pull from the cdh bottle to add to my 8 oz baby bottle to achieve this? I looked at the calculations and it seems @4500 ppm .19 ml = 1 drop?

Each drop of 746 drops CDH contains 0.19mg of CLO2. (24 drops = 1ml solution)

Penwah - I have tried to follow all your posts - I, like you, dearly love my animals and I think we worry more about them than ourselves. But because you love them, you will be able to tell if things aren't agreeing with them. I have heard that dogs, don't throw up easily. What I did was to watch my Scot closely. I could tell that he wasn't responding or feeling worse (mainly his beautiful eyes, and tail wag).

When he acted like something was making him feel worse, I just cut down on his dosage. One person told me that even if I just gave him a smidgen, I would be helping him. His dosage (because of his weight was 1/2 drop). He showed me that was too much, so I cut him down from 15 ml to 3 ml and increased the hourly doses and always the unactivated water in his bowl, and he improved daily.

Whatever you do, you have to decide for yourself. Just don't give up! One day it will begin to make sense to you. I know it all seems foreign to you, it surely did to me! Actually a lot of it still does. I have never done any other than just good ole MMS. It worked for me.

God bless (Glenda)

I don't see where the single bottle method turned into the 840ml bottle for dosing.

The 840ml bottle of CDH made using the Two Bottle Method is used as an example here. You can make CDH using the 12 hour One Bottle Method or 10 minute Two Bottle Method. Both will give you about the same amount of CLO2 per ml of solution.

Since you are dosing a dog, you would give less than a human would ingest because of the difference in body weight. Comparing dosing between MMS and CDH is not so simple as MMS may continue to activate inside the body whereas CDH doesn't have as much unreacted SC remaining. But, Scott and I think 1ml of CDH will provide about the same amount of CLO2 as 1 drop of MMS if the MMS continues to activate inside the body.

So, I suggest to start with 1/4ml, which is 6 drops of CDH for your dog. (24 drops=1ml) If using an 8 fl oz dosing bottle, then add 8 times 1/4ml which would be 2ml added to the bottle. Then take out 1 fl oz per hour which will contain 1/4ml of CDH.

Dosing in mg of CLO2 is the best way when you know the amount of CLO2 in your stock bottle of CDH. If made according to the recipes and in similar bottles, you should have about 840mg of CLO2 in the 240ml of solution. That is easy to determine if you know the CLO2 concentration of the CDH solution. On average, when made according to the recipes, the CLO2 concentration will be about 3500ppm. If you made 240ml of CDH, for example, you would multiply 3500 by 0.240 and get 840mg of CLO2. See the formula in my signature line below.

840mg divided by 240ml equals 3.5mg per ml of CDH. So, 1/4ml of CDH will contain 0.9mg of CLO2, almost 1mg.

Having test strips is informative, but if CDH is made according to the recipes and using the same equipment, you may not need the strips. And dosing can be determined experimentally. If too much, a Herxheimer effect will be noted. Always start low and slowly increase dosage.

The test to determine what happens when activating CDH in closed or open topped bottles was an experiment for information. Some are interested in the results. It has nothing to do with following the current recipes for making CDH.

CDS is a different solution compared to MMS or CDH. It contains only CLO2 in distilled water, and can also be made overnight or in a short time like CDH, but it is quite different than CDH. It will not continue to activate inside the body because it does not have any unreacted SC in it.

MMS and CDH both contain CLO2 and some unreacted SC and may continue to activate inside the body. MMS has much more unreacted SC than CDH. The main difference between MMS and CDH is the activation time. Doesn't seem like a big deal, but it can be!

Thank you all and to Blessed 1, funny, I had just made that decision as your response came in. There are no coincidences. I have decided to start with the mms original 1000 protocol with water and add mms2, I will have to re read on that as I can see the dog with the tumor is also showing signs of diminishing kidney function and I thought there was a warning there. I can make that up each day for the entire day in baby bottle right? I will re read the information I saved on that.

I so appreciate everyone's input and I look forward to my kids recovering as I am very optimistic as this dog has strong will and if it is not to be, I know I did everything I could and it is just his time. I know there is no death and he will find peace and be happier w/o suffering.

I also appreciate his illness because without it I would have never found out about mms for me and my pets for everyday use and future.

JB13 Thank you for your explanation, I did copy it for the possibility of moving to cdh if I find they resist the original mms protocol and I made that decision after reading Pams post of JH opinion of using CDH with life threatening situations. We may be able to provide some valuable input if he refuses mms protocol and I switch - I may switch anyway after seeing improvement and see if he continues to improve as a test for all to use. As a side note, I will try to only use 1/2 oz. for dose as that is a lot to syringe into dogs mouth.

There were some comments that cdh worked better than mms so again it can be an experiment and I do understand that. I will definitely use cdh for myself as maintenance and detox, I have no health concerns.

my product is due to be delivered today, it if freezing here so I will let it warm up (or thaw - hope that doesn't effect it) before dosing and be sure the Budwig protocol is out of his system.

good luck to me and I will let you know how it progresses.

I got my sc and hcl last night - it was very, very cold. I put it in my sheepskin boots to store as I keep my house temp @ 66 degrees. any warmer and I get too hot.

I think I screwed up right away LOL- I got out 8 oz baby bottle. I put 8 oz of dw in the bottle. I then put 4 drops sc then 4 drops hcl shook it, capped it - put it under the covers of my waterbed because is it warmer. shook it two more times. left it there for 30 minutes. Put it in the fridge and that is where it still is. There was no color whatsoever in the water. It seems to me there should have been some activation. I did not open it yet and smell. I was thinking I was making their total daily dose of 1/4 drop per dog for 15 ml water for 8 hours. I did not use this yet.

I then dosed my dogs by activating one drop @ 60 sec activation then 15ml dw, gave each 3.75ml in small amount of baby food to = 1/4 drop dose @ dog. I put the rest into their water bowls.

I was going for the 15 minute cdh formula. I think I just did not put enough sc and hcl? I put that amount for the days dose for both dogs. or is it that I should have added 12ml of cdh to that 8 oz to get 1/4 drop dose?
Please advise, I feel really stupid, this isn't that hard.

What is the shelf life of cdh, I hear some say weeks and some say months.

I guess what I don't understand is why do some say cdh can be made in 15 min. then in fridge for 1 hour for days dose (then ready to use, I am thinking just drink it as it is for daily dose) and then the 12 hrs. recipe? why even make the 12 hrs if 15 min is all that is needed?

the longer activation time means there is little if any SC or HCl in the solution.
Shorter activations have some residual of the components which is thought t contribute to nausea.
I don't think you will see much colour change in 4 drops over 8 oz.
4 drops in 8 1 ounce servings would be 1/2 drop per ounce.
To be sure its working put 3 of each in a shot glass and observe.

Like you my water home is often 65ish...up 10 degrees where I used to keep my place Letterman studio temp of 55F.

CDH likely last long time, sealed keep cool and in dark location.

Only the really ill start at partial drop doses.
So you can likely build up to 3 per hour quickly.

Keep us posted, we are watching...

The original CDH was made using the Two Bottle Method followed later by the One Bottle Method. Both will make the same amount of CLO2 per milliliter of solution. The One Bottle Method is easier but takes longer. Again, the written directions are here: www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/infosheet_cdh.pdf

Note that the two Basic Recipes are different. You are using a different recipe from either of those and that is why is seems not to be working. Scott and I spent months to arrive at the current recipes.

To dose an animal or small person, just reduce how much CDH you put in your daily dosing bottle.

Jb13

I was reading your PDF for CDH. The capsule method that is The one I like. Is three drops of the 30 ml solution or six for the three drop protocol.

So, for the first day I decided to just activate each dose giving them each 1/4 drop. I had to leave twice so my hours were interrupted. I did get 4 doses into their systems. The extra from the mixture = 1/2 drop each dose, I just dumped into the water bowls. (one of my cats ended up with diarrhea this am, one dog and two cats share one bowl and the other dog has his own. The water bowls are filled with 1/2 to 3/4 gallon water. so one drop was too much for my one cat - maybe some issue there so I will continue with smaller amount).

I made a one ounce bottle of cdh and will use for today. This is way easier than I made it out to be, I feel silly.

1 ml cdh = 1 drop mms1 is how I will be calculating today.

I am happy to report that after just four 1/4 drop doses my female had no blood in her urine this am. Whenever I backed off the colloidal silver even a few ounces the blood returned. So, I am very happy about that.

I am mixing mms with a small amount of baby food to flavor. My male eats it right up, my female not so much. I will see if it is better with the cdh. I think it is the smell she doesn't like.

I did take a couple ounces of the bottle I prepared myself and I did taste the mms.

I will start myself in a few days.

JB13, I did figure out that I made a mistake when mixing the first bottle when I checked the recipe for making cdh.

I really appreciate your experimenting and developing exact recipes. It is just confusing because of the slight differences and abbreviations. But when I had everything in front of me with the recipe - simple.

I made it out to be more complicated than it is by wanting to understand all of it rather than just one at a time. Thank you.